because we at the nra look at gun laws every day. it would have completely changed the tone of how people addressed it. but to say it's all about everything except guns, i think that's one of the reasons that so many reporters have dwaun gone on the attack here saying, come on, you have to talk about this. >> i'm sure that's why networks took it live. they wanted to hear if in the wake of this horrific event, the nra would at least change its approach to gun control or some of the issues of gun control. instead, i think what they saw was an effort to shift the argument away from gun control. >> the nra argument summarized. guns don't kill people, media kill people. so, is there some room here -- >> there's something to go back to your first question. there is something, of course, he is right. wayne lapierre is right when he talks about the dreadful glorification of violence. but we didn't need to learn that from wayne lapierre. >> but in the wake of this horrible tragedy in connecticut where is the media soul searching on its role,